Chemistry isn’t something that’s instantly established. You need to work on it. True, not everyone is as good as others when it comes small talk. So here are a couple of simple tips that can help you become better at it.

To be interesting, look interested – At the start of every interview, there’s almost always a bit of small talk to put everyone at ease. The topic might be something that you’re not really interested in, but you still need to show that you’re genuinely interested. You just want to build rapport; what you actually talk about is secondary.

Avoid hot topics – If you want to avoid disagreements with an interviewer, stick to safe topics—or better yet, let them start the conversation. If they talk about something that you don’t agree with, try asking for their opinion instead of giving your own.

Stop talking and start listening – If the topic isn’t about the job, there’s no need for you to keep talking. You may only end up ruining your chances of getting the job if you do so.

Take advantage of small talk – If the interviewer asks how your trip to the office was, don’t start talking about how bad the traffic was and how you got lost and had to ask for directions. Doing so doesn’t help your cause. Keep your answers simple and on topic. Remember, you just want them to like you a little more.

Watch your enthusiasm – Sometimes when you want to look interested, you may overdo it. This can work against you and make you look insincere. Be sure to show just the right amount of enthusiasm while still maintaining your professionalism.

Small talk may seem like a minor part of your interview, but it can help you connect to the interviewer. The connection you make can help keep you on the good side of the interviewer, which will be valuable in the long run.